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Discussion Topic: For Therians/Otherkin: The P-shift and why this topic drives me crazy. (Semi Rant) |
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 CyAniDe |
09-08-2007 @ 10:53 AM |
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Ok. I'm not here to debate on whether the physical shift is real or not. I'm simply here to discuss why this topic drives me crazy. A rant, if you will. I, like many others in the Therian/otherkin community, look to the p-shift as a possibility, but none are for certain as to whether this can be achieved. Many online communities immediately frown upon anyone who even begins to think that it could happen. Others immediately disregard it as an impossibility and flame anyone who begins to suggest otherwise. Also, I find a lot of young people (I'd estimate around 13-14) who claim the ability with some statement to this effect:
"Well I want to be a hunter because one werewolf ruined my life i dont care about the rest of you and if u could id like u to forgive me because of this werewolf/vamp i cannt be a were and so all i have left is my revenge cadryn u know me and u know i wouldnt hunt this were unless i had a reason because of her and her leader i lived a life i thought was mine but was another person’s am just a stupid playtoy to them and if any were hunters can help me id be glad to take it. Or any weres shes a disgrace to ur kind."
When asked for proof, they fail to provide it, often making up some lame excuse as to why they can't. Then you have children like this hoping to escape from reality:
"anyone whom has the knolage on phisically shifting could you please help and share youre methods with me, it whould be much apresiated!!!"
Yes, these are both real messages written on various boards concerning p-shifting and even therianthropy in general. The thing that caught my eye tonight was a post in a board I had never visited before.
"Has anyone heard of William Wraithe and his book called Morphospehram. I bought the book recently and realize only one thing ... I am finally going to become a werewolf. Out of all of the [expletive] that I have seen over the last 20 years, finally my dream is going to come true. Why he did not publish the book sooner I will never know, but I imagine it is because he thinks people will misuse the information."
There was a link included under this post. I, just for the sake of curiousity, clicked on this link. It took me to a page where there were several PDF files and E-books for sale. I'm thinking ok...Let's see what this is all about. I found this Morphospehram book and clicked on the buy link which took me to Paypal. At the top of Paypal, it listed the name of the book and the price. It wasn't until I saw the price that I instantly realized that this was a load of mess. I'd had my suspicions when I saw the book description with it's numerous typos and the phrase "Divine Change."
The phrase "Divine Change" reminds me of a site that was put up a while back and was shortly taken back down by the creator because of the controversy and ridicule it brought. Basically, the site stated that a physical shift was possible through God himself. If you did such and such, you had a single shot at achieving a different physical form. (To get to this website which I have just described, google "Molatar". It should be the first link to pop up. I don't want to post the site here so as not to be pwnt by the mod for a word contained in the address.) The link to the ebook website is as follows:
http://www.angelfire.com/magic2/billybob0/index.html
It is these kinds of things that get in the way of finding any real sort of info (if any) that kills me.
This message was edited by CyAniDe on 9-8-07 @ 11:04 AM
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| b |
09-08-2007 @ 2:37 PM |
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wow. i'm sorry, thats all i have to say about that.
respectfully
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| dcxfuky |
09-08-2007 @ 8:53 PM |
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CyAniDe ,
I haven't come across anyone capable of a physical shift yet either .
There is a topic here about therians so I'll post a link to that so anyone reading this can locate that one easily too.
Stormdance:Therian/ Werekin thread
>Moved from Off Topic to Mystic Off Topic
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but the heart knows what the heart knows.
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| Isealdor |
09-08-2007 @ 9:58 PM |
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First off, anyone who knows Me very well knows that I am highly skeptical of most (read: all) of the "therian" or "werewolf" things out there. I'm One who has to be given a good deal of proof, see, or experience something before I'll truly believe it. That said, I do try to keep an open mind.
I've been told by several, and I believe you yourself posted something along the lines of this, CyAniDe, that the "physical shift" isnt related whatsoever to the Hollywood physical morphing--it's a mental shift. Now that to Me places it securely in the realm of psychology, with perhaps flavors of religious beliefs, but that's neither here nor there.
I can completely empathize with your being frustrated with the entire topic, though. As with any similar topic, there are always those obessesed with fantasies and roleplay. We certainly get Our fair share of it wandering through here, too. The only thing I can suggest is when you find something utterly rediculous, just mentally picture the kid writing it as a spoiled Jr. High kid who thinks that being on otherkin sites is somehow rebelling against his or her parents. It tends to put it into perspective a little and make it easier to just shake your head and move on.
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| CyAniDe |
09-10-2007 @ 5:56 AM |
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Yeah. Thanks a lot everyone. Isealdor, I stated that the "physical shift" is actually a mental shift in regards the the "Therian Bible." (though it very well may be an intense mental shift.) As you said, the physical shift is something to be wondered about, and I agree, however impossible it may seem. :D Lol. I do picture those people who post those things as Junior high students! :D Oh, and thanks for the link post!
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| sokar |
09-12-2007 @ 1:59 PM |
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there are people out there that can physicaly shift i've seen it with my own eyes and i still didn't believe it. i've been told that the movie the howling were the change occurs with the werewolf is from a real live person and not from hollywood make up. this was done from the producer knowing the person that was a shapeshifter and useing him to come on to the movie set and shapeshift. not many people are aware of this but have a good look and see the difference from other werewolf movies. lets say it can be bulldust or maybe it can be true? with what i've seen in the indian americans i'd believe anything is possible.
sokar, most ancient one
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| Panther |
09-12-2007 @ 2:34 PM |
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It sounds like an urban myth in the making to me.
We vampires are everywhere, you just don't know how to tell which of the people that you see are one.
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| Fragment |
09-12-2007 @ 7:05 PM |
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Sokar,as a Therian who has been heavily involved in the Therian community for some 16 years now,I have never nor have I yet met anyone whose word can be relied on who has ever actually witnessed a 'true' physical shift.The vast majority of us are well aware of the scientific implausibility of such a thing,not to mention the impossible physical stresses that such a transformation would put on the human body were it possible.The vast majority of us lean to one of two theories regarding the cause of our 'condition'.One,coincindently the one that I personally subscribe to,is that there is some root mental or physical imbalance/'defect' that causes us to experience the whole range of sensations,both mental and physical,that are part and parcel of being a therian.The other most common theory is more to do with a form of 'spiritual enlightenment' and is closely allied to beliefs in shamanism,spirit guides,etc.
I really would recommend that you follow the link posted by our dfx and read the thread very carefully.If you have any questions after doing so,as the author of that thread I am more than happy to try to answer them or to provide you with links to sites that will educate you as to the truth of the Therian 'condition'.
If you want to make an Apple Pie from scratch,you must first invent the Universe.
This message was edited by Fragment on 9-12-07 @ 7:11 PM
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| sokar |
09-13-2007 @ 1:22 PM |
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sorry fragment but if you are able to explore places and see things in other cultures you would be suprised to what you find.reading about it and witness it with your own eyes is to different things. go down to sth america and the shamans that are able to shapeshift, certain american indians steaped in the old ways are shamanic shapeshifters. doesn't matter what any one says, it's up to the individual to go out into these cultures and witness things that the western world has no understanding off. we can talk about this to eternity ,until you witness it with your own eyes you will alway's discount the possibility of shapeshifting. go out and seek and you shall find. the body being a hologram extension of our minds can be shaped into what the mind wishes to project. people that are aware of this are able to shift?
sokar, most ancient one
This message was edited by sokar on 9-13-07 @ 1:57 PM
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| Fragment |
09-13-2007 @ 2:35 PM |
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You presume to pass judgement on what I have or have not experienced or personally witnessed when you know absolutely nothing about me Sokar? Are you now claiming to be some kind of super-telepath that you know the personal details of my life so intimately?
For your information,I have travelled the world quite extensively in my mere 30 years of life and have been privileged to study with various 'native'(I dislike using that term really,it conjures up the shadow of colonialsim and the darker days of the Empire)peoples and to study in some depth with them their cultures and beliefs.Do not presume that simply because your own experience may have been narrow,that others have been likewise restricted.
I have studied in considerable depth over the last 16 years not only the Native American's belief in shapeshifting but also that of the Celts,the Nordic races and the African races.I have even repeatedly taken part,in my younger,more inclined to be gullible days,in various traditional rituals that supposedly result in shapeshifting for those involved.I became involved in the area of 'shapeshifting' as opposed to 'therianthropy' as a part of the process of exploring and 'reclaiming' my Celtic and Nordic roots.They certainly were very intense experiences,but at the risk of bursting your happy little dream bubble here,no-one sprouted fur or a tail at any of these gatherings,nor are they ever likely to.I am extremely well informed and experienced in this particular area Sokar,apparently considerably more so than yourself it would seem.
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there are people out there that can physicaly shift i've seen it with my own eyes and i still didn't believe it.
I would have to ask whether there was any possibility that you had,with or without your consent,been exposed to any hallucinogens at the time that you supposedly witnessed this?Such drugs tend to play a major role in most shapeshifting rituals,whether ingested directly,applied to the skin in the form of a paint or paste or inhaled when various 'sacred herbs' are burnt on a ritual fire of some form.
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i've been told that the movie the howling were the change occurs with the werewolf is from a real live person and not from hollywood make up. this was done from the producer knowing the person that was a shapeshifter and useing him to come on to the movie set and shapeshift. not many people are aware of this but have a good look and see the difference from other werewolf movies.
Are you seriouly expecting the members of this forum,which by-the-way is not a role-playing forum,to accept the unsubstantiated claims of someone who is apparently unable to differentiate between very poor quality Hollywood special effects and reality?I mean,let's face it,the make-up and 'shifting' effects in even the later Howling movies,let alone the now positively ancient original,were really quite laughable.We used to play 'spot the zipper on the werewolf suit' to that movie as children.And do you not think that if someone had actually managed to produce a real,live,shape-shifting werewolf live on a Hollywood set,the news might have,just possibly,leaked out into the news somewhere along the line?I'm sure both the American government and the general scientific community would have wanted in on the shenannigans at the time also.Or is Hollywood now supposedly capable of keeping such a matter completely secret from all possible 'interested parties'?
This really does scream of role-playing,oh-so-desperate-for-attention,prepubescent teenager here.An impression that your signature is doing nothing to help with - 'Most ancient one'...enough said.
To be able to actually physically transform into our theriotypes? Ah well,we can but dream...
If you want to make an Apple Pie from scratch,you must first invent the Universe.
This message was edited by Fragment on 9-13-07 @ 2:36 PM
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| Gul |
09-13-2007 @ 3:25 PM |
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I've talked to a few who claim to shift physically but, like the rest, have no proof and am very skeptical of physical shifting. I do think mental shifts are a possible explanation.
Maybe with a mental shift, a person feels it so much that they assume that have shifted physically. Every one I have spoken to seems to firmly believe they shift and yet have never recorded in on film or in photographs and always seem to be alone when it happens.
I am open to the possibility but, it does seem that if it really happened, somebody would have some kind of visual evidence and, you would hear of witnesses outside of the therian community. I have yet to see such a witness that was truly reliable, and every were that any professionals have tried to find never is found or even glimpsed.
As others have said, I will remain skeptical until I see proof.
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| sokar |
09-14-2007 @ 1:15 PM |
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lets get one thing straight fragment, i'm not on this site for role-playing and need no attention. . it might apply to the majority of the young brigad, but in my case i'm the oldest one on your site by far. and what i place is through experience not reading or theory. no i didn't have any drugs and yes i did see what i mentioned. it was not wolf but reptilian in nature. i can assure you that yes you have been around, as i have on a larger scale. you can believe what you wish and i shall post what i wish, people can make there own minds up on what they witness with there own eyes. the body when you can understand it in a hologram form, it can change easyier than you can imagine. don't just see the scientific view point the answers lie far deeper? and the tribes as you mention do not have all the answers. the ones that do these shifting don't advertise to westerners even if you have traveled far and wide. just maybe you might have missed the right opportunity to witness this? even having 16 years experience doesn't mean you are close to seeing things that might be closer than you think. even having at least double of what you have in experience does not make me see everything that others are not privy to. look under the thread species that i placed and see what others can do?
sokar, most ancient one
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| Unknow |
01-03-2010 @ 1:35 PM |
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Yes, The p-shift, shapeshift, whatever...Is possible.I Has a friend who is were...
He never told me. And one day, he call me to a place. A garage...He said "I ll show something you'll like". he falls on ground and start to change. It take a few minutes, when he finished...
He turned to a wolf. Yes... Just wolf, not a half man and half wolf... After that, i kicked him...
Our friendship is end. Now I am he's enemy... I keep watching him...He lives here...And I ll take a picture of his "p-shifting" And i will show to everyone, who wants, this proof...
And I want to hunt them, i ll not tell the reason...
If someone wants to hunt them too... I ll warn when i have the proof, and show it. To start hunt.
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| jyujinkai |
01-03-2010 @ 1:54 PM |
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Unknow,
P-shifting is NOT possible as the human body cannot undergo such a transformation.
Please do not post anymore un-truths about seeing your ex-friend p-shifting and please keep your bestiality pictures to yourself.
regards
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Ridng on the winds of chaos,
Feeding on the ashes of civilisation.
Old as the ancients,
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| Unknow |
01-03-2010 @ 2:01 PM |
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ok...
Dont believe if you dont wants...
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| sk8er174 |
01-04-2010 @ 8:51 AM |
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This was so funny,I saw someone on ask yahoo saying that
they was NOT a lycan but said they could p-shift and called
her/himelf(can't remember who) a "werein." I was just
reading and was like what!? Another idiot/roleplayer who
probably just leaned about the "internet."
Day has to become night
Like i say,don't freak everyone you
hate will die
what is secret if it exists
if you are,you are.if your not,how do
you know?
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01-04-2010 @ 4:27 PM |
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gotta love stupid people.
b.
some people have issues, some people are issues
travel to strange exotic lands, meet unique interesting people, and kill them
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| EverRashel |
01-29-2010 @ 4:42 AM |
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I acually know some weres.weres are shifters that have alot in common with werewolfs.However,weres change whenever they get to angry.If they lose control,they will basicly go insane for a while.During the full moon weres have to be very calm and can't run or they'll change.Changing is very painfull 4 because they break all their ribs and acually grow while they change.Of course weres heal very quickly but u don`t really want me 2 go on about weres,do u? after all this a vampire website! 
Dose the walker chose the path or dose the path chose the walker?
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| Lynard |
01-29-2010 @ 5:15 AM |
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quote:
I acually know some weres.weres are shifters that have alot in common with werewolfs.However,weres change whenever they get to angry.If they lose control,they will basicly go insane for a while.During the full moon weres have to be very calm and can't run or they'll change.Changing is very painfull 4 because they break all their ribs and acually grow while they change.Of course weres heal very quickly but u don`t really want me 2 go on about weres,do u? after all this a vampire website! Smile
EverRashel, as it has been repeatedly said, physical shifting is NOT AT ALL possible. Please recheck your facts, and then burn the location you found them,
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| Mystere |
01-29-2010 @ 10:44 PM |
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Anybody else hear Twilight in that were description?
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Fear not this Child of Night as she calls
your Name for she can show you your
true Self. Fear the
knowledge she offers; it could destroy
who you think you are.
When I speak, vampyre = a real vamp,
like me, but vampire = the creature of
myth.
May the blessings of Night be upon
you all, and through the Dark, may
you see clearly.
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