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 Immortal20 |
03-18-2010 @ 8:17 AM |
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Interesting to see a forum like this...
I don't believe Vampires are anything different from humans - some might
need serious therapy being lost in a fantasy world. Let me explain.
Humans can also live hundreds of years old - there are humans in closed
societies that have lived in the mountains for over a thousand years! They
are NOT vampires, nor do they say they are...
The concept of immortality for them, is to master life and death - Their
definition of immortal is you go to the next world when you want to go -
when you have created an immortal spirit usually. So being immortal means
super powerful immune system (can be attained by any living human being).
Yes there is a lot of life force in Blood - so maybe there is a condition
where you feel the hunger for it - I don't know - but your still human, in
terms of literal species.
The garlic stories you hear - actually, there is a certain type of garlic
that can help you become immortal - Maybe this is how garlic came into play
in stories - search for immortals garlic on google.
Vampires don't only suck blood - thats just physical low level/relm vampire
- I say low, because that is what the physical world is - there are vampires
(still human by the way) that leach off your energy - you all have seen them
- could be your parents, even your friends - they themselves might not be
aware of it either - this is still, leaching off energy - just on higher
planes - and higher chakras.
The stories we hear about vampires staying in the dark - well, if you go in
the sun, you speed ageing (causes oxidization), you have to work a thousand
times harder to fight that ageing - so staying in the dark actually helps!
This is where the legend came from.
Powerful eyesight and senses? Of course you will get that if your immune
system is powerful and energy meridians are flowing! And if your meditation
is strong, you can hear the winds change direction...
Advanced forms of human potential have yet to be explored - so my fellow
humans, don't yet feel inferior.
I wish I had the time to further talk on this with you - I had to post this
as there could be someone out there who needs this information.
Does this mean there aren't beings that might suck off blood, very unhuman?
I'm not saying yes or no - because I really don't know - but I'm saying as a
human being - we are powerful. Just most of us never realize this.
Before the secrets of immortality were hidden - high level clan secrets -
now, this is not the case - they are out in the open - some of them have
always been - but start your search, as this is a right for every human
being. Yes, you will increase psychic powers - BUT be very careful - you do
not want to open your eye when you are not ready, it can drive people to
madness.
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| Lynard |
03-18-2010 @ 12:13 PM |
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Humans can also live hundreds of years old - there are humans in closed
societies that have lived in the mountains for over a thousand years! They
are NOT vampires, nor do they say they are...
Evidence to support your claims? This is something big to say without data to back it up, and just saying that "I know" or "trust me" is not completely credible here.
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Yes there is a lot of life force in Blood - so maybe there is a condition
where you feel the hunger for it - I don't know - but your still human, in
terms of literal species.
We are fully aware of that. We know what real vampirism is and isnt, which includes pretty much everything you said after this.
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The stories we hear about vampires staying in the dark - well, if you go in
the sun, you speed ageing (causes oxidization), you have to work a thousand
times harder to fight that ageing - so staying in the dark actually helps!
This is where the legend came from.
Legends are legends for a reason: Because they are fiction. Otherwise they would be fact and not legends, wouldn't they?
And all of this raises the question, why did you post this in the skeptics forum?
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This message was edited by Lynard on 3-18-10 @ 1:19 PM
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| Immortal20 |
03-18-2010 @ 12:59 PM |
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Fresh Meat
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If you ask for evidence for such things in terms of
scientific proof and studies - you really are not ready
for it; it's like having a building with more weight on
the top (third eye and throat chakra for humans) and no
foundation (root and sex charka) - It would collapse the
building (nervous breakdown or madness) - so to be ready,
study more on the esoteric practices - perhaps by Wan at
youtube.com/yogameditation - his old videos point towards
a few mind opening truths.
That said - they did do a study where some scientists said
the human body has a capability of living 1,700 years if
everything is in order - I don't have the link - but in
life, nobody spoon feeds you all answers anyway, so if
your interested, research! its a beautiful journey!
Most people don't know this, but plants are able to recognize and even communicate to some extent with each
other - just because humans cannot see this, does not mean
it does not exist - only a recent study confirmed this,
this month.
They have studied people living up to 120 - but people
that live beyond that are in closed societies (sometimes
secret societies, sometimes just undiscovered) - these are
never studied - one example is in the Mountains of Korea -
the taoists that live there.
Legends are legends for a reason? - I thought I would find spiritually smart people on this forum - but it seems you
have no intention of seeing the reasons behind anything - not even god can show a blind man light.
This message was edited by Immortal20 on 3-18-10 @ 1:24 PM
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| Lynard |
03-18-2010 @ 1:24 PM |
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If you ask for evidence for such things in terms of
scientific proof and studies - you really are not ready
for it;
Then why should we believe what you are telling us?
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That said - they did do a study where some scientists said
the human body has a capability of living 1,700 years if
everything is in order - I don't have the link - but in
life, nobody spoon feeds you all answers anyway, so if
your interested, research! its a beautiful journey!
If you are going to bring your claims to us, you should be prepared to bring your data to backup. If you make others find the backup data, well, you loose credibility.
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| Immortal20 |
03-18-2010 @ 1:26 PM |
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You are a moderator... and you ask why I posted
this in the skeptics forum?
The vampire forum says for discussions on REAL
facts about vampires!
I don't know if vampires of the nature some talk
about, even exist - I doubt they do.
And considering that - I posted it here - What has
that got anything to do with what I said? If you
actually had the intention to seek truth, you
would not be asking such questions, any smart
person can tell you that.
Edit: I am not here to make you want to believe me or create credibility - this
information was for people who could be lost and seeking some kind of structure (who
already understand what I have explained) - Not for closed minded people who simply
look for sources - do you not realize how small your world is if you simply look for
sources?
A master does not teach by dictating and giving sources of his information - he wants
his students to learn from their personal experiences (hence, the reason most holy
books are vague, because there are many paths).
This message was edited by Immortal20 on 3-18-10 @ 1:31 PM
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| Maiden9 |
03-18-2010 @ 1:30 PM |
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I don't believe Vampires are anything different from humans
Really? Neither do we, Vampires are no less human than anyone else. Which is why I'm wondering why you posted this at all as it is echoed throughout this forum.
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Humans can also live hundreds of years old - there are humans in closed
societies that have lived in the mountains for over a thousand years! They
are NOT vampires, nor do they say they are...
As Lynard said, please provide adequate sources to back this claim.
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Yes there is a lot of life force in Blood - so maybe there is a condition
where you feel the hunger for it - I don't know - but your still human, in
terms of literal species.
Thank you for stating the obvious. I wouldn't refer to it as a "hunger".
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The garlic stories you hear - actually, there is a certain type of garlic
that can help you become immortal - Maybe this is how garlic came into play
in stories - search for immortals garlic on google.
Indeed garlic does wonders for the immune system, but there has not been a shred of evidence to back that claim, otherwise it would have been widespread common knowledge by now.
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Vampires don't only suck blood - thats just physical low level/relm vampire
- I say low, because that is what the physical world is - there are vampires
(still human by the way) that leach off your energy - you all have seen them
- could be your parents, even your friends - they themselves might not be
aware of it either - this is still, leaching off energy - just on higher
planes - and higher chakras.
Why does this sound familiar? Hm...Oh yes, we've only discussed this very topic in several threads. Are you certain that you have read around before posting?
As for how you describe Sanguinarians as a "low" form of Vampire, no matter your explanation, there are those who would take slight offense as there are actual Houses who outright look down upon Sanguinarians for their manner of acquiring prana.
It would behoove you to take more time to read around before posting next time around. I understand your intentions to inform, however, a word of advice: If you're going to make claims, be prepared to back them. You will be questioned.
"To truly know virtue, one must acquaint one's self with vice."
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| Lynard |
03-18-2010 @ 2:44 PM |
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Edit: I am not here to make you want to believe me or create credibility - this
information was for people who could be lost and seeking some kind of structure (who
already understand what I have explained) - Not for closed minded people who simply
look for sources - do you not realize how small your world is if you simply look for
sources?
A master does not teach by dictating and giving sources of his information - he wants
his students to learn from their personal experiences (hence, the reason most holy
books are vague, because there are many paths).
Ok, how about this: Deep in the Grand Canyon, There is a tribe of two headed people who don’t need water to survive. I don’t have the sources to prove my info, but it’s true because I say so. Get my point? You can’t just waltz in here, make an outlandish claim, refuse to show sources, and expect anyone to believe you.
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| Vita |
03-18-2010 @ 4:42 PM |
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So being immortal means
super powerful immune system
I may not be a doctor or a rocket scientist but don't we die because at a certain age we stop making( or atleast not enough) new cells?
I might be wrong but i doubt even a "super powerfull immune system" can save you as in the past Nature always created a nasty virus that has the potential of wiping out humanity should an outbreak occur. And even the most healthy people in the world can catch a cold.
Just sharing my thoughts.
~Vita
Its funnier when they are broken on the inside.
<Vita throws a rock in the pond>
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| EtuMalku |
03-18-2010 @ 4:52 PM |
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Hogwash, the oldest human being ever was a Colombian Indian named Javier Pereira, who died in 1958, lived to be 169. A postage stamp was issued commemorating him after his death by the Colombian government.
Other than him Jeanne Louise Calment 21 February 1875 – 4 August 1997, had the longest confirmed human life span in history, living 122 years and 164 days (44,724 days total).
The concept of immortality is not its connection with the physical, rather it is in connection with the spiritual.
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| Taka |
03-18-2010 @ 5:01 PM |
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Within your body, my body, and the body of every human being are cells, cells that compose the organs, the muscles, the bones, and most importantly, the brain. When these cells divide through mitosis the DNA splits and replicates, creating two carbon copies. Part of this process is an error checking method where the DNA is tested to assure there is no mutation. When the error checking comes to the end of the DNA, it clips the very end of the DNA chain as "invalid data" and the cell finishes its reproduction. To assure that the DNA holding the information to make us isn't lost, the very end of the human DNA strand is coded with a long tail of garbage data, called a Telomere chain. When this chain has been exhausted the error checking clips the end of the good DNA, and the human body recognizes this cell as deviant and destroys it. This is part of the aging process and is irreversable. Once you run out of telomere chain, your cells can no longer reproduce, they wither and die, and your body withers and dies. The maximum age span of human bodies is likely right around the 200 year mark without either a mutation that extends this telomere chain or new medication that can regenerate missing telomere chain segments at a genetic level. Your entire premise, that thoughts or nutritional supplements, could cause a change at a genetic level to the basic function of cellular reproduction is flawed, as cells that reproduce without this telomere chain reproduce out of control and with wild mutations. They have a certain name, it's Cancer. I'm also flummoxed that you posted in the skeptic's forum and seem horrified at the notion that people responding to your post are skeptical.
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| Lynard |
03-18-2010 @ 5:17 PM |
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Moved to Occult Studies, a much more suitable place for this topic.
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